Madhukar: Nobody can capture love. But to be love is simple. Holding and wanting something is difficult, to be love not. There is nothing to it.

V: Madhukar, can you please show me how I can recognize that you and I are one and the same?

Madhukar: Well, I showed it to you every day, at least twice. Two times we were sitting vis-à-vis. Then you closed the eyes and I closed the eyes and we both vanished. Only presence is here. Did you not notice that?

V: In some moments yes. But it is hard for me to remain in this presence the whole time.

Madhukar: Yes, then you are sleeping. While I am moving like a tiger thru this world you are sleeping. Or dreaming. For a novice of Truth it is impossible to be thoughtless, therefore he is pointed out by the master onto That. Onto this presence that is underlying everything. Then it is not that decisively anymore that there is still mental activity, thought, dream. Because you are already informed: I am That in which everything comes and goes. Then mental activity is still influencing everyday life, dream content and manfestation of reality, but you already know: I am That. One. Now you are in the physical presence of the guru. You focus on this and you will use it for going inside after the retreat. In the beginning for me it also was somewhat confusing when my master said we are One. Because after Satsang he walked towards his house and I walked in mine. Sometime this idea of separation dissolved.