Sinking into Self
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Greetings to everybody from our beautiful retreat Mystery of Oneness with Madhukarji in sunny Goa, India!
To let you all take part in the graceful Satsangs here in our ocean breezed pavilion,
we transcribed for you this beautiful dialog from 19.01.2010:
"Sinking into the Self"
Guest: First, I like to thank you for giving us all this love.
Once you gave me this advice: I should inquire who I am.
And when I go into silence, I use this question all the time to stop my thoughts. And then sometimes, pictures are coming after a while from my mind. My question now: Is the mind creating such pictures, such illusions? Or where are these pictures coming from?
Madhukar: Certainly from the mind; certainly without mind there are no pictures, there is no manifestation, without mind there is no universe. Universe is mind.
G: One or two times as there was nothing, I became afraid. There was absolutely nothing, like black light.
M: Who gets afraid when there is nothing? You say there is nothing, who gets afraid then? If there is nothing nobody would be afraid. And, has the nothingness ever been afraid? No, the nothingness never. Who is afraid?
G: It is me.
M: It is the mind. If it is you, you have to find out who?
It is offered to you. Something is offered to you: manifestation. Something is offered to you: you call it black. Something is offered to you: fear. But who are you? Who are you ordering the plate, taking the plate, eating the plate, refusing the plate? Who are you?
G: This I do not know!
M: It is courageous to admit ‘I do not know’. Most man at your age, your position, your lifestyle, do not admit ‘I do not know, who I am’.
G: How can I find out, who I am?
M: By being here, at the source of everything. By sinking into the source, sinking with ‘s’, not with ‘th’. You pronounce it the same. Sinking, thinking. Everybody thinks. Nobody sinks, Sinking in the Self.
G: I will try this.
M: Do not even try, also at the source of trying there must be something.
G. So I will do it.
M: Like Socrates, you have arrived at this understanding ‘I do not know’, I do not know who I am’. And he did a lot of thinking before. Then he realised: I do not know who I am. But he was not afraid, not even afraid to die. He wanted to prove, his people, that he is not afraid. He knew: I am not the body. The body, which we all enjoy so much. And also the body which is suffering.
G: It is like we hold on to the small things we have.
M: What do you have? Nothing.
I hold this handkerchief; it is useful for the sweat, the tears and to fan away the flies. But actually, do I own it? No, it is cotton, some atoms, it is earth, and it will dissolve again to the very same, atoms. Even smaller parts, it is actually nothingness, useful nothingness.
G: But I am...
M: Before you said: ‘I do not know’ who I am. But now you say: ‘But I am’. You see? Immediately you cheat yourself, believing you know. The mind cheats yourself… mind always pretends to have knowledge. The moment, the instant you inquire, no knowledge is there, and even all the mindstuff is of no use, only illusion, enjoyable illusion. For some it is suffering, for some it is joy.
G. Yes, when I am here, in this moment now, I really do not know nothing. Ok, the mind sometimes makes me... I do not know...
I really have to be just here, then it is really easy.
M: What is this result of your practice?
That you are here! Why you use practice, if you are here anyway?
G: I am not always here.
M: Where do you go?
G: Sometimes I go into the past, sometimes in the future.
M: Great, others try to invent time machines, to go backwards in time and to travel into the future. You do not need a time machine. You are mastering that…
(silence)
Anyway, in your case, you have a double name, isn’t it? Two names, no? Hans-???
G: Jürgen.
M: Hans-Jürgen.
G: Yes.
M: Let Hans live in the past and Jürgen in the future. And that who you are, let it be here. Now.. That is happiness.
G: So I need a new name.
M: No, why a new name? Who is this: ‘Now I need’ ? Who is that, who says ‘I need’ ?
‘I’, you told me before, does not know anything. So what this ‘I’ says is nonsense. Now ‘I’ presumes again ‘I need’...
That was the first when you arrived in the now?
G: This was not I.
M: So now in this instant, before the ‘I’ arises, what is here?
(silence)
Good, good.
To let you all take part in the graceful Satsangs here in our ocean breezed pavilion,
we transcribed for you this beautiful dialog from 19.01.2010:
"Sinking into the Self"
Guest: First, I like to thank you for giving us all this love.
Once you gave me this advice: I should inquire who I am.
And when I go into silence, I use this question all the time to stop my thoughts. And then sometimes, pictures are coming after a while from my mind. My question now: Is the mind creating such pictures, such illusions? Or where are these pictures coming from?
Madhukar: Certainly from the mind; certainly without mind there are no pictures, there is no manifestation, without mind there is no universe. Universe is mind.
G: One or two times as there was nothing, I became afraid. There was absolutely nothing, like black light.
M: Who gets afraid when there is nothing? You say there is nothing, who gets afraid then? If there is nothing nobody would be afraid. And, has the nothingness ever been afraid? No, the nothingness never. Who is afraid?
G: It is me.
M: It is the mind. If it is you, you have to find out who?
It is offered to you. Something is offered to you: manifestation. Something is offered to you: you call it black. Something is offered to you: fear. But who are you? Who are you ordering the plate, taking the plate, eating the plate, refusing the plate? Who are you?
G: This I do not know!
M: It is courageous to admit ‘I do not know’. Most man at your age, your position, your lifestyle, do not admit ‘I do not know, who I am’.
G: How can I find out, who I am?
M: By being here, at the source of everything. By sinking into the source, sinking with ‘s’, not with ‘th’. You pronounce it the same. Sinking, thinking. Everybody thinks. Nobody sinks, Sinking in the Self.
G: I will try this.
M: Do not even try, also at the source of trying there must be something.
G. So I will do it.
M: Like Socrates, you have arrived at this understanding ‘I do not know’, I do not know who I am’. And he did a lot of thinking before. Then he realised: I do not know who I am. But he was not afraid, not even afraid to die. He wanted to prove, his people, that he is not afraid. He knew: I am not the body. The body, which we all enjoy so much. And also the body which is suffering.
G: It is like we hold on to the small things we have.
M: What do you have? Nothing.
I hold this handkerchief; it is useful for the sweat, the tears and to fan away the flies. But actually, do I own it? No, it is cotton, some atoms, it is earth, and it will dissolve again to the very same, atoms. Even smaller parts, it is actually nothingness, useful nothingness.
G: But I am...
M: Before you said: ‘I do not know’ who I am. But now you say: ‘But I am’. You see? Immediately you cheat yourself, believing you know. The mind cheats yourself… mind always pretends to have knowledge. The moment, the instant you inquire, no knowledge is there, and even all the mindstuff is of no use, only illusion, enjoyable illusion. For some it is suffering, for some it is joy.
G. Yes, when I am here, in this moment now, I really do not know nothing. Ok, the mind sometimes makes me... I do not know...
I really have to be just here, then it is really easy.
M: What is this result of your practice?
That you are here! Why you use practice, if you are here anyway?
G: I am not always here.
M: Where do you go?
G: Sometimes I go into the past, sometimes in the future.
M: Great, others try to invent time machines, to go backwards in time and to travel into the future. You do not need a time machine. You are mastering that…
(silence)
Anyway, in your case, you have a double name, isn’t it? Two names, no? Hans-???
G: Jürgen.
M: Hans-Jürgen.
G: Yes.
M: Let Hans live in the past and Jürgen in the future. And that who you are, let it be here. Now.. That is happiness.
G: So I need a new name.
M: No, why a new name? Who is this: ‘Now I need’ ? Who is that, who says ‘I need’ ?
‘I’, you told me before, does not know anything. So what this ‘I’ says is nonsense. Now ‘I’ presumes again ‘I need’...
That was the first when you arrived in the now?
G: This was not I.
M: So now in this instant, before the ‘I’ arises, what is here?
(silence)
Good, good.
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Thank You for light. For ever in Your Heart.
Thank You from my heart for this wonderful dialog. For participating, Being allowed to join. It is such a gift, such a grace, which is talking again and again.
Thank You for staying here in this world saving us.
I thank you my dearest beloved Guru Madhukarji for your grace. I thank all these wonderful rays of his laurel wreath. It is so beautiful to be not 'alone' with truth. I am happy and thankful. Gerlinde.